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  occam
Information about RPG tracks5:29 PM 19-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
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                                                  --> Track-Recommendations moved to the topic  'Recommend an RPG or Trial Track'
 




RPG tracks will not meet everybody's taste.

Some RPGs are insanely hard, if you are not exceptionally skilled, rather believe the author if the difficulty is labeled as 'lunatic'. Other RPGs have insanely complex routes so they are not suited for an optimal first try either.

So if you never drove one of those RPG tracks before, don't be too hasty^^ and maybe even ask some other friendly Trackmaniac for a recommendation which RPG to drive for the very first time.

But not to be misunderstood: Many of these RPGs are so full of nice ideas and you can feel the creativity and passion the author has put into them, that it might be really worth to at least have heard about those kind of tracks :-) and if starting with a moderate pace maybe even fall in love with them. In the Track Forum you can find RPG Track Recommendations, usually with a short description of the difficulty.

Record hunting is only one option and it might be the last of different stages (and probably only fun for a hand full of people).

The most fun on RPG¹ tracks might be to just discover the track and having a fantastic journey.

Travelling together in a group is not unusual and even helping each other with tips and hints is quite common...






...if you want to experience one of those journeys online check out:


RPG Unlimited [CZE]  -  Meky's popular RPG server             Play on RPG Unlimited

RPG Kryw [FRA]  -  Kryw's fantastic Temples²                     Play on RPG Kryw






¹  In case you wonder, RPG is derived form the actual term Role Playing Game (due to the adventurous style of the
    tracks). It was Baron and Meky, who first coined the term RPG for these kind of TM tracks. At the same time Meky
    made the term further popular on his Server RPG Unlimited, which was called RPG Kryw map at the time.

²  Kryw pioneered the design of RPG tracks with his amazing Temples and before that Rafale built a precursor: Enigmes.
 
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  occam
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Originally posted by HardDance ...
  ... Looking forward to a better pc, so that i can join you
 
Originally posted by occam ...
       I am really looking forward to that, so that Kryw, Baron and Hawk get some serious competiton :-)
   
Originally posted by HardDance ...
          Haha, so they'r the best?




Hehe finally a chance to use 'future perfect'

In late December of 2009 the young and aspiring, record-hunting Norsk Star called HardDance will have had the chance to break a few records that had been thought to be unbreakable :-))

...

The local psychic claims to have dreamed about the following news: :-)

The young Norwegian talent started slowly and took his time only having fun a few days looking at the beautiful tracks after he just got his new PC...the aspiring talent - soon only to be referred to as the 'Norsk Star' - did not rush things but after he knew the weird routes of a few RPG tracks...

...some of the soon to be legendary races began...and when some "records of the century" had been broken a reporter of the TM Gazette witnessing the race can be quoted (after regaining consciousness - he passed out from witnessing so much awesomeness :->>): "...the force must be unbelievable strong in that one"... ...and something about an extremely high 'meta-chlorian' count... ...before passing out again... ...maybe the reporter got mixed up something there...or maybe our local psychic has watched one movie to many before going to bed...

...but it might come true anyway - just like that :-)




Now to some harder facts (from the actual present :->)


What a difference a day makes :->>> poor Baron :-),
...well who knows maybe we will see some nice competition
and changes amongst the record holders^^


I will not update this Record-Table any further (it was only a answer post to Harddance to begin with :->>), therefore the little comparison below...it would just be too cruel to stop at April 21st and not mention how many Recs Baron had for many weeks :->

but anybody who wants to update it, just copy and paste and feel free to update it, but try to be accurate :->>


The records as of April, 19th 2009

Baron:
"The Great Escape [RPG]" 21:06.14
"Il nome della rosa [RPG]" 18:15.48
"Mars Attacks [RPG]" 14:15.52
"Mykérinos" 15:47.89
"Sésostris" 7:38.59
"Honduras" 15:22.06
"RPG map1" 11:46.27
"RPG map2" 9:35.26
"RPG map3" 17:56.43
"Tournalin" 6:15.48

Hawk:
"Kheops : the TM mecanism [RPG]" 20:01.95
"Zeppelin Station [RPG]" 14:57.57
"RPG Atlantis" 10:12.38 (April, 20th 2009)
"Palace India [RPG]" 8:28.00
"Temple of Doom" 6:44.24

Kryw:
"Sobékite" 11:37.13
"Lubaantun" 10:50.72

Milk:
"Saqqarah" 7:10.41


The records as of April, 21st 2009

Hawk:
"Kheops : the TM mecanism [RPG]" 20:01.95
"Zeppelin Station [RPG]" 14:57.57
"RPG map1" 11:25.96
"RPG map3" 15:03.78
"RPG Atlantis" 9:54.41
"Palace India [RPG]" 8:28.00
"Temple of Doom" 6:44.24
"Tournalin" 6:01.02

Baron:
"The Great Escape [RPG]" 21:06.14
"Il nome della rosa [RPG]" 18:15.48
"Mars Attacks [RPG]" 14:15.52
"Mykérinos" 15:47.89
"Sésostris" 7:38.59
"Honduras" 15:22.06
"RPG map2" 9:35.26

Kryw:
"Sobékite" 11:37.13
"Lubaantun" 10:50.72

Milk:
"Saqqarah" 7:10.41

 
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  OLD*MILK
3:47 PM 20-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
Toy-Car Racer



just to add another interesting thing. Very often we can see drivers who join to server, fail to find first checkpoint, say that track sux and leave the server. This is quite usuall... unfortunatelly..

Usually when I catch some player who asks for help, I cancel my ride (unless I am not attacking some rec...) and start to drive the track with him/her. Of course this means that instead of 20-minute-ride I spend 1,5 hour on track with new player ) On the other hand, just like yesterday, I lead two new RPG drivers... they indeed said that the track is really sh*t but when I driven with them all the time they changed their opinion completely...

What I wanted to say:
1) be patient when driving RPG
2) do not be affraid to ask for help
3) enjoy the fun of discovering map - do not ask after every single checkpoint where to go, but try to spend sometime to find out how to continue ... ask when you are really stucked and frustrated

good luck and have fun
  occam
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Originally posted by OLD*MILK ...
just to add another interesting thing. Very often we can see drivers who join to server, fail to find first checkpointl...

Usually when I catch some player who asks for help, I cancel my ride ...and start to drive the track with him/her. Of course this means that instead of 20-minute-ride I spend 1,5 hour on track with new player ) On the other hand, just like yesterday, I lead two new RPG drivers... they indeed said that the track is really sh*t but when I driven with them all the time they changed their opinion completely...

What I wanted to say:
1) be patient when driving RPG
2) do not be affraid to ask for help
3) enjoy the fun of discovering map ...try to find out how to continue ... ask when you are really stuck...



Thx Milk, for your insight ( i can remember we both helped a driver to finish his first RPG and could see him help others right after he crossed the finish line that was really a pleasure to witness :-)


In any case it might be helpful to rather start with the easier RPGs like Sobekite, Sesostris, Saqqarah or Temple of Doom.


I posted some thoughts about individual RPG track difficulty here:


Jimos is right when stating:
'RPG tracks seem to be difficult in the beginning but if one gets used to - it's just a nice experience'


I totally agree, if starting with an intermediate RPG track and maybe some useful hints these tracks
are just a nice experience :-)



What's important to know is, that some RPG tracks are significantly harder than others and it might
make a huge difference for a first encounter to have chosen one of the easier RPG tracks.


Mykérinos for example is a rather hard track, if Kryw
labels this track as lunatic  he knows, what he is talking
about (although it got a tiny little bit less insane from
Version 3 to Version 4 :-> and many people will
appreciate that :->)

   Mykérinos



Very complex Route in The Great Escape, although the
difficulty alone might leave your brain intact the complexity
of the route guarantees for a fair chance of insanity :->

   The Great Escape



Sésostris is not that hard and probably well suited for
a first RPG journey:

   Sésostris



...many RPGs use similar elements, somebody who never drove them,
might find helpful if heard about beforehand:

For example: Invisible roads, which are usually indicated by hints on the
floor (often boosters) or the ceiling (elevated platform blocks or pipes)

It often comes in handy to know that it is possible to drive in opposite direction of boosters.
See explanation here: The Great Escape --> Howto drive the start (YouTube video)



 

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  Kryw
3:00 AM 21-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
Zimmer Racer!



Yo, 2 news spoilers

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/731/camelot4.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4536/camelot5.jpg
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  mr.hubby
10:45 AM 21-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
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Originally posted by occam ...
 
"Tournalin" 6:15.48


I thought this would be from Focus"
  OLD*MILK
11:20 AM 21-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
Toy-Car Racer



Originally posted by occam ...
... i can remember we both helped a driver to finish his first RPG and could see him help others right after he crossed the finish line that was really a pleasure to witness :-)....


indeed that was great that he did (I think still remembered his frustration so wanted to help another poor maniac )

Anyway this is exactly what is special about RPG maps... people tend to have more contact and fun with other drivers, it is more like cooperation mod, instead of usuall "deathmatch".

Kryw, that looks VERY nice... cant wait to see it "live"... I am currently "in progress" with my own RPG track. Yesterday I just spent six hours on mod creating...
  occam
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Originally posted by Hubby [!mw!] ...


I thought this would be from Focus"



...a little part of the context got lost, Hubby, therefore i can understand why you mixed that up (more elaborate explanation below)...it was about the best RPG drivers :-)

If i still can find the posts on the PC i might have saved it, i will add (quote, to be exact) the missing posts :-) Harddance was talking about looking forward to play the tracks if he has a better PC, and i was answering that i look forward to see the fast HD compete with Baron, Hawk and Kryw.

If you have a closer look (despite the missing posts) it is hard to tell now (with the context missing :->) but the list is about the fastest RPG drivers and their records...as said i will try to restore the meaning as good as i can later today...

 
EDIT:
 
Originally posted by HardDance ...
   ... Looking forward to a better pc, so that i can join you
   
Originally posted by occam ...
         I am really looking forward to that, so that Kryw, Baron and Hawk get some serious competiton :-)
     
Originally posted by HardDance ...
          Haha, so they'r the best?

 
...


The explanation why posts are missing:

Timebreaker tried a bit of friendly dictatorship or rather friendly censorship ... and i am sure Timebreaker meant well :-)

but of course a answer is rather hard to understand if two initial post were missing... if i am lucky i even saved the topic before (althoug it is on another PC and i have to check for that later).

It was really the friendliest form of censorship i ever experienced so far :-) Timebreaker asked me beforehand but i did not realize and was not aware Timebreaker already had deleted posts, because a few were still there :-)

So again: Thx for asking so friendly Timebreaker (and a little "grr" :->>> for indeed deleting two of the posts) although i wrote a PM that i rather want the topic unstuck, the title changed and maybe the topic even moved if necessary but i wanted to keep the discussion and all the posts and start a new topic "Recommend an RPG track" with exactly the rules proposed by Timebreaker.

...

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  occam
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Originally posted by Kryw ...
Ya ! I have a spoil for you Occam


Thx for the beautiful teaser screenshot Kryw :-)

Thx for more beautiful teaser screenshots :-))

I have the feeling there is a black night hiding in the shadows of one of that smaller towers :->>
(could also be i sat before my display too long^^)
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  Kryw
12:11 PM 21-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
Zimmer Racer!



If you search a Texture for you future mod look this site !
  occam
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Originally posted by HardDance, in a PM ...
Haha Occam, that was damn funny to read Thanks^^

I will try some of the shortest tracks on the list, just to get into it. But my pc is really terrible for RPG tracks It laggs on 4k coppers xD



...i intend to propose a differentiation between Trial and RPG tracks since quite a few people start to release tracks that do not have to do anything with the Adventure or RPG (Role Playing Game) Genre whatsoever...they are far more similar to the TM United Platform tracks (of course without the possibility to play the actual Platform Mode since that is only available in United).

But i do like the Playing mode (that the Number of respawns does not matter (in Nations) and the time is the more important criterium) but i would indeed like to see a differentiation between [Trial] and [RPG]...


I have no possibility to check the coppers right now...i will do that later but maybe
have a look at


Away From The Sun      (3179C)




after a few runs it probably suits your (insanely fast and smooth) style better anyway - i personally think it should be labeled [Trial] because i do not see the adventure aspect in the track - only that the same elements are shared with the classic RPG tracks (but that is valid for Platform tracks too)

maybe try it...



BTW i see much more resemblance to fishys RPG tracks in this track

Trial_pro Area zone 1     (1172C)




the track indeed needs some time to get used to...a few jumps are really close the first couple of tries...and really helps to go in the very left edge at that booster jump and start slowly (helps me) ... of course slow is a word you probably can only guess the meaning (considering how fast you are :->) ...we had times around 10 minutes for the first tries and got completely lost in the track... so it really is a predecessor of fishy's RPGs :-)) and it is even named correctly as Trial Track:-)

I am not sure if you will like it...if i could drive as fast as you and could enjoy incredible speed and smoothness due to extreme amounts of skill i probably would not like it at the beginning...but maybe look at craxx' or focus' replay... Trial pro area zone I... is probably the best lead-in into fishy's RPGs (although i really do think these RPGs are really only fun with nasty graphic adapters...because the adventurous looking style is most of the appeal for me...take that away and i rather would drive a shorter Trial track...well i really only would like to drive a track that does not f'ing lag at all...after all in my case the driver is already lagging enough :->>>)

 


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  occam
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Originally posted by Meky, in a PM ...
u forgot Atlantis on the list : @



i did not... it only is a list about record holding people...

... i guess you did not read very close...
EDIT: Sorry Meky, i did not see or realized that when i answered your PM at least two posts were missing already, so the record list was a bit out of context...


it would be nice if milk or lexx or baron or ... (somebody else but me - i love atlantis - but i already posted to much in the thread anyway and am writing long emails with timebreaker...about ..."censorship"...and bad ideas about rules and...the really bad idea of deleting posts :-> right now...

...so no...i did not forget it... in the record list ...if you meant that...

...i think it is better to have somebody else present the track...

and the tracks i listed had been in the context about Harddance question who are the best RPG drivers right now, so it was about records...

...

... let me ask this....did you even read the post ?
The current records as of April, 19th 2009 :-)

Hawk did not have a Rec on Atlantis yesterday ( not even today at 12h at least there was none submitted as of today 12h)

how can i forget something that was not true at the time i wrote it...

I only wanted to add the records of the players i mentioned to Harddance with the recs they drove...

... i additionally added Milk, but his rec on Saqqarah is rather impressive, i saw him drive it...his 7'10 is without respawn...
and a few hours before Milk drove this rec i made a video of Baron's Replay 7'23 (with one respawn in it...by cutting out the respawn Baron would have driven a 7'07 so i thought Milik's rec was worth mentioning...i did not llist Lexx' rec because it was not that good in relation to the others...and judging from Hawk's rec (from today!) i was right about that...



i added Hawk's new Rec ...but right now i am really not in the mood to check if some of the other Recs have changed...i will do that in a few days if Timebreaker does not want to change the whole topic anyway :->



If you have a close look you will see that for example Mario World is missing, there is only one crappy replay (mine :->) and neither Baron, Hawk or Kryw have submitted a record/replay yet, Boss has driven a few nice times but he also did not submitt a replay to TMX yet. (i explained why i added Milk)... so the point of listing all these records of Baron, Hawk, Kryw (and Milk) really only was to give Harddance an extremely sound explanation of who the best RPG drivers are right now :->


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  occam
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Originally posted by OLD*MILK ...


Anyway this is exactly what is special about RPG maps... people tend to have more contact and fun with other drivers, it is more like cooperation mod, instead of usuall "deathmatch".



...indeed :-), the most pacific game ever (no collision check between cars in a racing game...can it be more peaceful :->) has reached a new level of augustness with the experience of collective adventures or to use your perfect comparison 'the cooperation mod' :->>
 


 
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  occam
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Originally posted by Homer, in a PM ...
 ...Thanks to this topic, there will be probably more players who will test and enjoy RPG tracks. And that's great because they aren't very well known atm (as I'm concerned, I didn't know that there were RPG tracks until you pointed one of them out...)


Thx for you encouraging words Homer. You are one of the friendliest track commentator from my observation :-) Even your French comment on Kryw's track (i do not speak French :-> i can use google and try to "feel" and guess the meaning :->)...even your French comment felt very encouraging :->


Originally posted by Homer, in a PM ...
 Then, the work authors put on them is crazy...
I still don't know why there isn't a sticked "Recommend an RPG track" on the forum...


On the contrary, i have to emphasize that:
Timebreaker was so nice to stick it a few seconds after i posted it...

But in the friendly attempt to keep it clean Timebreaker deleted a few posts which led to a tiny bit of chaos^^ at least to some misunderstanding :->

I made a little list of the best RPG drivers which got mixed up for a Top list of RPG tracks :->,
i even accused friend Meky of not reading the post - till i realized today he could not have read
all the posts anymore because some were gone :->>>


I realized the Topic rules now exactly as Timebreaker wanted :-> in the new thread Recommend an RPG or Trial Track and renamed the initial Topic to Information about RPG tracks with links to each other...maybe the 'RPG Information and Discussion topic' has to be moved now...i guess i will figure that out soon^^

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  ,,Januy
7:47 PM 21-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
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It would be a blessing if you could fit the image on the first post within a wideness of 600 pixels, so that the page won't be stretched
  occam
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Originally posted by ,,Januy ...
It would be a blessing if you could fit the image on the first post within a wideness of 600 pixels, so that the page won't be stretched


Will resize it...

...the white frame is about 955px for me ...so i resized the pic to 900px and thought i was on the save side with that :->
...i assumed most people probably use 1280x1024 or higher resolution...

...but good to know, i will resize it to 600px :-> what resolution do you use ? 1024x768 ? ..Would be nice to hear somebody still uses the old hardcore gamer resolution of 1024x768 :-) ?

 
 
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  ,,Januy
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haha no I am sorry, I am resolution addict, 1280x1024 (2560x1024 if you count both monitors) for me
  ,,Januy
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Very nice topic by the way, really interesting to read On some points it can lack a bit of interest, but overall it's really nice to finally see a good and structured topic about RPG-tracks. On the other hand, the discussion to which the title would refer to isn't really here But there isn't much to discuss, only the following point(s):

When is an RPG-track good enough to get that title?
When is a track, actually an RPG-track?
Is there a difference between story tracks and RPG-tracks?
How far can we go?
Is Stadium really the good place for RPG? (or should they only be made in TMU envo's)

Keep it up, very nice work
  rewiind
9:49 PM 21-Apr-09 : Quote : Report : #
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Well, let me ask something: What's the difference between an RPG track and a Trial-track ?
  occam
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Originally posted by Rewiind ...
Well, let me ask something: What's the difference between an RPG track and a Trial-track ?


...i tried an explanation here:
Recommend an RPG or Trial Track --> http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?action=threadshow&id=1172763

 


Trial Tracks and RPG tracks are fundamentally similar in design.

The most distincitve feature to differentiate between an RPG and a Trial Track is the look and feel of the track. RPG tracks are usually shaped in an adventurous setting by means of an heavely modded environment, often even feature custom sounds like for example a cracking hallway or a Gregorian chants when entering a hall.

Trial Tracks use plain unmodded blocks and tend to be a bit shorter and in general seem to be a bit easier to digest for slower PC hardware than the modded and rather copper heavy RPGs. RPGs are often outstandingly long, not to say epic and often even story driven.

Of course it is not always easy to distinguish between those two very similar genres. Only adding an adventure style Mod alone will not transform a two minute trial track into an RPG though^^.

The following is not written in stone, judging from current TMX records (AT might differ due to different driving skills of the author): Most RPGs are between 7 and 20 minutes. Most Trial tracks between 2 and 7 minutes in length.


The term RPG is derived from the actual Term Role Playing Game, so if your Track is not adventurous at all, it's rather a Trial Track.

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